i'm not ready yet, but the pot is boiling....

The American Left just got served by the latinos. Half a MILLION people protesting in L.A.? And many, if not most, of those people can't even vote. The anti-war crowd gets 100,000 on the Mall for a Saturday afternoon walk and then pouts because they aren't taken seriously. So get a million out. Or get the 100,000 to refuse to leave -- camp out until they get their way, Ukraine-style. Apathy is self-perpetuating. There's plenty we can do en masse, but people can't be bothered to give up a week of work or sleeping in their own bed for the sake of American democracy. Fucking pathetic.

Gotta get the peeps organized, G. And for that you need some common ground. If you find it, you'll be on to something. Rage isn't enough, tho, and people are immune to old school rhetoric now. Gotta think outside the box about what outside the box means.

Secession is an unrealistic and absurd option in today's world. Let's say you amass the popular support to make it happen. Then what? You are your own country, sovereign in theory. YEAH RIGHT. All they would need to do is cut you off from all services in the country, and pull the plug on any businesses in the area. Whammy. When PG&E suddenly says: we don't havea contract with your new country and cuts you off, who you gonna cry to? The newly formed government of your new nation that has no legal code yet? Hehe.

Make it one week though this life without suckling at the teet of the American economy. Got a commune you can make into an entire nation-state with it's own alternative economy? Might wanna go there first. There's been success with community money (the Ithaca Minute, for example) but until you lay the foundations, unplugging is just a dope-induced, rage-inspired, 70s nostalgia pipdream.

It's a great way to say Damn The Man, and all, but it's no more reasonable than a violent overthrow of the government. What you leave in the wake of your rage is the primary consideration. You would find the aftermath of that action far less appealing that the sense of satisfaction you get from suggesting it and dreaming it. Besides, cruise through suburbia sometime. Look at all the fat, bermuda shorts wearing idiots out there. Do you seriously see enough of them getting upset about anything more than the rising cost of feulling their winnebago or SUV? They'd never sign on to that concept, and they would be the first ones to call the feds if you said "When we seceed Wal-Mart must leave our new municipality."

I'm all about ragin against the machine, but prodcutive solutions are the only thing worth talking about. Secssions, revolution, riots, going socialist/communist...all that stuff: ABSOLUTE WASTE OF TIME AND ENERGY.

I share the rage, but seriously. Get real. It won't work, it's not realistic. It's also no longer the 1970s. Groups like this need to update the dogma a spech. We're all pissed, but unless we focus and unite with a REALISTIC VISION fuelled by an education about how it all works, we're just the next easily-ignored protest group of extermists that some chooch in a suit has to walk around on his way to work. Not something to be taken seriously.

When people like this get serious, and want to take the ball up the middle, gimme a call. You are right, there are lots of people out there who are pissed, and plenty that are asleep. I support their right to be asleep if they choose to be though. And if I was to be the one to lead them to a brighter tomorrow, I also have to be concerned with the well being of the sheep as well as the wolves. Who will feed the homeless in a secession? Who will suddenly become homeless? Anybody reading this has enough scratch to be able to get on a computer now and again, which means they have teh luxury of a roof over their heads, generally speaking. Relative luxury. Who would trade this (real or perceived) luxury, even if we have to pay for it at the low price of the constant, obsessive frotage of captalist's greedy fingers for the chaos of revolution and the uncertainty of an untried political system in a land who's natural resources do not exist in enough quantity in any one location to make a successful break with industrialized society. A culture where self-interest is the primary focus? Not bloody likely.

We may get bent over now and again, but most people prefer the benefits of being whores to the Unca Sam da Pimp, vs being homeless, cold and hungry. Design something better first, THEN get people onboard with a switchover. Then you'll have something. This is not as impossible as it might sound. Look into community money, alternative fuels, and living off the grid technology. It can be done...but you'll find less money for it than it needs to get off the ground, thus grounding movements such as the one you mention. We all gotta bend over for the man these days. Even if it is we who make him the man in the first place.

Good luck. Keep up the fight. Hell, prove my dumb-ass wrong. I'd move to the new place.

-Peace

Bull shit!! Everyone I know here in my area is hard working and tired of being srcewed by our fucking government. Both parties!! They serve the the central banks and its time this treason was put under. The movement for a one world authority is the disease we need to cure. Freedom will never be served by instituting socialism and forcing it on the entire world. In the name of peace my ass. What a huge fucking lie. Peace through oppression is not peace but slavery. Today I cut firewood for 6 hours because I cant afford propane to heat with. Most people I know are in worse shape then us. You should step back and take a better look or move to a place where Americans still live not illegal aliens.